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VE3WBZ > CARS 14.02.12 03:35l 151 Lines 6489 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: Hello Ian on the cars :)
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From: VE3WBZ@VE3LSR.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
To : CARS@WW
TO: CARS @WW
FR: VE3WBZ
DT: Monday, February 13th.,2012 @ 0920hrs EST <JPST>
Hello Ian, and I am going to take you up on this CARS @WW, as I
have driven MGs TCs Bristols and well they always stick in the
mind with their comforts and other items, that are illegal here.
<< Quoting G0TEZ to CARS @WW >>
> From : G0TEZ To : CARS @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 13-Feb 03:24
> Bid : B90233G0TEZ Message # : 62108
> Title : Modern,awful,steering.
>
> We all seem to be around the same age group on here so, matbe,
> we have all had the same experience.
I think so...
> I don't own a car, I don't really need one so, if I need one,
> I will hire one for a few days, it is cheaper in the long run.
You are going the right way there. I have no place even close
to rent a car, not in this area, so I am stuck with having to
have whatever was there to fit the pocketbook.
Not the case in Brasil, as they have an excellent tranportation system
and well I leave the driving to them.
> IO found these two cars, difficult to steer. I had to keep both hands on
> the steering wheel and, even, cross my hands to make sharp turns,
> something which would be an automatic fail in the driving test I took
> in 1966.
Here they class the crossing of the hands on the wheel as hand over
hand steering. We are taught , no one hand on the wheel Ian, but
both hands on the wheel in the 10 and 2 o'clock positions.
If it is a sharp turn, well apart from trying accomplsih this sharp
turn, the 10 - 2 might end up as a hand over hand, or with one hand
trying you best to get the turn, with a return to both hands on
for better stablity.
1966 eh...sametime as me nearly. But then you had farm experience like
me, and were mostlikely driving at 10 or ASP because it was necessary.
> Just a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to someone who accompanied me
> on both the tiring trips I tok in the modern cars and, for some reson,
> the talk turned to the driving. "I bet you feed the steering through your
> hands the old fashioned way" he said, "Of course" i replied.
Yes sir. Same here. I was supposed to wear gloves on the job, but
i could never feel the car via the wheel so driving ASP without always
happened. Also happenes on the boat. Funny ...
> The talk went on a few minutes in the same vein. making me feel like an
> old man who had forgotten how to drive. I had to remind myself that, even
> though he was only half my age he hasn't even got a driving licence.
The youngsters in the family used to ask me too, and well I was an
old guy compared to them, so on the farm, I would try to teach them to
drive standard but only after they leanred to steer... so I would be
in the driver's seat and they would just steer. Now grown up,
thankfully the experience has paid off, as reported by my newphew
driving in Northern Alberta ...to NWT.
> Here is tha bottom line. What is the reason for making modern cars with
> smaller steering wheels and much lower geared steering ?
Good one...noted that when I climbed into a Dodge Challenger standard
shift and this tiny steering wheel. Doesn't feel right, but I guess
over time, and whatall I got used to it? How about just design as
they used to laugh at the oversized steering wheels and in Formula One
the wheels were tiny things.
> I realise that, in other countries, things may be different. In Oz for
> example, they seem to drive bigger cars and drive far furhter than we do
> in the UK, no doubt all with power steering so it doesn't apply.
>
> Has anyone got any info or opinions ?
Here in Canada, the small car is king...for range and well we have
longer stretches of highway...interesting feeback from visitors from
UK. All the small cars < got to love that Smarcar two seater>
have power steering...as a standard. Most are automtic. Too bad
I like standard shift.
> Like, next time, do I spend more money on a bigger car, probably with
> power steering and much higher fuel consumption ?
And you forgot Air condition... I forgot to mention that as being
standard as my tiny machine had it..power sterrinng, and well all these
things rob your miles per gallon...but well you know the public.
> I do realise that the practice of driving is a thing we usually forget
> and don't even bother talking about. We just get in and go. Or I did
> until four years ago, so I will understand if no one wants to reply.
Are you getting at the push now to limit the age bracket of drivers
that is being suggested here? Well I have no problem Ian with talking
about this, so long as we keep to reality and no dumb downing as seen
in other " @WW" items.
When I am 65, I will be re-tested. Thats ok. Also I always keep myself
from driving if, I don't feel well, or have drank something that might
impair my driving. Also drugs. If I am told that it might be an idea
to surrender my driver's licence due to medical items, then "ok".
> I have never been a 'petrol head' so this is just an ordinary man who has
> reached the age where he has just had to renew his licence to continue
> driving. That is the british system.
Same here as mentioned...but then look at the stats. The younger crowd
is the ones making the bigger and better crashes, and ...mmmm seniors
seem to be taking the brunt of opinion. I have seen some seniors
who should not be on the road, as with youth. Here one day noted
99% went thru stop signs... whether senior or not...that is what it
must be looked at..not blaming one group.
> All (sensible) replies appreciated.
>
> Regards.
>
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
> Message timed: 03:22 on 2012-Feb-13 GMT
> Message sent using WinPack-Telnet V6.80
>
> p.s. Reples from british drivers would be best but anyone will do.
>
> [End of Message #62108 from G0TEZ]
As I mentioned Ian. I am all for sensible conversation and well I
now reject the rest. Sorry I re-quote, but then the reader knows
what psrt of a posting I am re-quoting, and ..hmmm well we'll leave it
at that.
I am going to be interested in how many will reply with something to
say, rather then rattle their tongues, and critic interesting postings
by others.
Yes ..most on here are of our age Ian. UK ,Canada or the USA ... you
might find those agreeing with you...but not posting, so as not
to be drawn into the dumb-downing events of the past.
73 Pete VE3WBZ
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