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G4EBT > SORRY 17.03.08 22:01l 146 Lines 5515 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: Re: Oz Schools - Bob 'n Tony
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Bob, predictably wrote:
>I support your action Tony.
Well of course you do - two peas in a pod.
>In any case the remark he made is a blatant untruth.
Total nonsense - I quoted the Bringing Them Home Report verbatim.
Which bit of that Australian report and the comments by the then
Governor General Sir William Deane do you say is a "blatant untruth"?
Could you please quote the actual text?
I quoted from the Report of the National Inquiry into the Separation
of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Children from Their Families,
conducted by Governor General Sir William Deane.
In 2001, Sir William was awarded the Sydney Peace Prize for "consistent
support of vulnerable and disadvantaged Australians and his strong
commitment to the cause of reconciliation."
Well deserved, I'd say.
Are you saying he's a racist who's words should be blocked from packet?
That's what you seem to be saying. Conventional wisdom is that if you are
in a hole, stop digging.
If he's anti-racist, and you're anti-him, what does that make you?
The introduction to the Report states:
Quote:
This report is a tribute to the strength and struggles of many thousands
of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people affected by forcible
removal. We acknowledge the hardships they endured and the sacrifices they
made.
We remember and lament all the children who will never come home.
We dedicate this report with thanks and admiration to those who found the
strength to tell their stories to the Inquiry and to the generations of
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people separated from their families
and communities.
In no sense has the Inquiry been `raking over the past' for its own sake.
The truth is that the past is very much with us today, in the continuing
devastation of the lives of Indigenous Australians.
That devastation cannot be addressed unless the whole community listens
with an open heart and mind to the stories of what has happened in the
past and, having listened and understood, commits itself to
reconciliation.
As the Governor-General stated in August 1996:
"It should, I think, be apparent to all well-meaning people that true
reconciliation between the Australian nation and its indigenous peoples is
not achievable in the absence of acknowledgment by the nation of the
wrongfulness of the past dispossession, oppression and degradation of the
Aboriginal peoples.
That is not to say that individual Australians who had no part in what was
done in the past should feel or acknowledge personal guilt. It is simply
to assert our identity as a nation and the basic fact that national shame,
as well as national pride, can, and should, exist in relation to past acts
and omissions, at least when done or made in the name of the community or
with the authority of government ...
The present plight, in terms of health, employment, education, living
conditions and self-esteem, of so many Aborigines must be acknowledged as
largely flowing from what happened in the past. The dispossession, the
destruction of hunting fields and the devastation of lives were all
related.
The new diseases, the alcohol and the new pressures of living were all
introduced. True acknowledgment cannot stop short of recognition of the
extent to which present disadvantage flows from past injustice and
oppression ...
Theoretically, there could be national reconciliation without any redress
at all of the dispossession and other wrongs sustained by the Aborigines.
As a practical matter, however, it is apparent that recognition of the
need for appropriate redress for present disadvantage flowing from past
injustice and oppression is a pre-requisite of reconciliation.
There is, I believe, widespread acceptance of such a need (Sir William
Deane 1996 pages 19-21). The Inquiry's recommendations are directed to
healing and reconciliation for the benefit of all Australians.
End quote.
I don't suppose for one moment that either you or Tony go along with that,
but they're not my words, they're from a national inquiry - the largest of
its kind undertaken in Oz, over a period of three years.
Your own government in WA apologised the day after it was published.
The only person who makes false and defamatory statements on here then
when challenged to prove those falsehoods or to retract them and
apologise, but doesn't have the good grace to do so, is you Bob.
Consider yourself lucky I'm not vengeful.
I've already responded to Tony's bull explaining how he lost the plot.
The only racist comments on here are from Oz.
Shocking.
Rudd has really got his work cut out.
I assume you won't be taking part in the Oz Schools National Sorry Day?
And although I'm very careful how I write and what I write about - (which
like everyone elses, end up on internet for all the world to see, and stay
there), for the sake of tranquillity, I wouldn't be at all put out if my
bulls were not posted on your BBS or Tony's.
Much of what I write about, and will continue to do so, concerns human
rights and responsibilities, neither of which you seem to be at all
interested in or conversant with.
I find your trivialisation of this important topic really quite dismal,
and quite bizarre that you're so far out of line with the stance of the
Anglican Church in Oz.
Most odd.
Or perhaps not.
Best wishes
David, G4EBT @ GB7FCR
Cottingham, East Yorkshire.
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