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Topics in this digest:
1a. ui-view weather station
From: Archie
1b. Re: ui-view weather station
From: Jan, LA2BBA
1c. Re: ui-view weather station
From: John L. Wilson
1d. Re: ui-view weather station
From: Ed Tesson
1e. Re: ui-view weather station
From: Tyler Parsons
1f. Re: ui-view weather station
From: Jan, LA2BBA
2a. Incorrect locations
From: wa5luy
2b. Re: Incorrect locations
From: Rich Garcia
2c. Re: Incorrect locations
From: Keith VE7GDH
2d. Re: Incorrect locations
From: Tom
2e. Re: Incorrect locations
From: James
2f. Re: Incorrect locations
From: wa5luy
2g. Re: Incorrect locations
From: wa5luy
2h. Re: Incorrect locations
From: kg4pid
3a. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] ui-view weather station
From: Keith VE7GDH
3b. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] ui-view weather station
From: Rich Garcia
3c. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] ui-view weather station
From: A. Adrian Wood
4a. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] Re: Incorrect locations
From: Keith VE7GDH
4b. [Bulk] [ui-view] Re: Incorrect locations
From: kg4pid
4c. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] Re: Incorrect locations
From: Keith VE7GDH
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1a. ui-view weather station
Posted by: "Archie" paige_del@yahoo.com paige_del
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:38 am ((PST))
Good Morning group,
I am looking for a reasonable price and easy to set up
weather station and software compatible with
ui-view32 and APRS
All recomendation will be appreciated, I am not
looking for a pricey station just an ordinary station
with just basic functions.
Thanks all in advance
73 de N2NWK
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1b. Re: ui-view weather station
Posted by: "Jan, LA2BBA" la2bba@nrrl.no jan_t_p
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:38 am ((PST))
Archie <paige_del@yahoo.com>, Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:38:17 -0800 (PST):
> >All recomendation will be appreciated, I am not
> >looking for a pricey station just an ordinary station
> >with just basic functions.
I have a LaCrosse 2310; the wind registrator didn't like the last
storm here, though - so now, it only shows "OFL" (i.e. Overflow) or
random values for wind speed, and random values for direction. I think
that model can't stand wind speeds over 25.5 m/s for a period of time.
(for non-metrics: 50 knots). If you rarely have winds above 50 knots,
the 23* is a reasonably priced station.
-- 73 de Jan, LA2BBA Hvaler, Norway Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 1c. Re: ui-view weather station Posted by: "John L. Wilson" jwilson@ncfcomm.com nr0amonty Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:09 am ((PST)) I own the Peet Brothers U2000. It has provided good service over the few years that I have owned it. To use a weather stations with UI-VIEW you will need a program that creates a WX.TXT file. UI-VIEW then reads this file (very small......one line of data in the APRS format) and transmits the data. I use a program called Weather Display available at www.weather-display.com. I like this program because of its many features. But there are other programs that will do the same thing. You can check out my weather data at http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=NR0A-4 <http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=NR0A-4&units=english&last=48> &units=english&last=48 Hope this helps Monty Wilson, NR0A <mailto:jwilson@ncfcomm.com> jwilson@ncfcomm.com _____ From: ui-view@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ui-view@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Archie Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 08:38 To: ui-view@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ui-view] ui-view weather station Good Morning group, I am looking for a reasonable price and easy to set up weather station and software compatible with ui-view32 and APRS All recomendation will be appreciated, I am not looking for a pricey station just an ordinary station with just basic functions. Thanks all in advance 73 de N2NWK __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools. <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 1d. Re: ui-view weather station Posted by: "Ed Tesson" etesson@verizon.net ka1vcq2001 Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:10 pm ((PST)) I have the Lacrosse 2310 also. It interfaces readily with UIView using Heavy Weather Pro software. The only complaint is that the batteries do not last as long as specified in the literature. Every problem I have encountered relative to OFL or strange readings has been related to low battery or rf. I use this as wireless which tx's in the 430mhz area. It is prone to rf from the 440 band Mail: etesson@verizon.net Webpage: http://www.qsl.net/ka1vcq [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 1e. Re: ui-view weather station Posted by: "Tyler Parsons" Tyler@Parsons-Surveying.com tyoregon2001 Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:11 pm ((PST)) I have the Lacrosse 2308 and 100 feet of telephone cable connecting. Don't worry about batteries as the remote unit is powered through the cable. I did have to run the cable through a ferrite core at each end to stop frequent bad readings but I still get an occasional 100mph wind. Tyler Parsons Ed Tesson wrote:
> >
> > I have the Lacrosse 2310 also. It interfaces readily with UIView using
> > Heavy Weather Pro software.
> > The only complaint is that the batteries do not last as long as specified
> > in the literature.
> > Every problem I have encountered relative to OFL or strange readings
> > has been related to low battery or rf.
> > I use this as wireless which tx's in the 430mhz area.
> > It is prone to rf from the 440 band
> >
> > Mail: etesson@verizon.net <mailto:etesson%40verizon.net>
> > Webpage: http://www.qsl.net/ka1vcq <http://www.qsl.net/ka1vcq>
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1f. Re: ui-view weather station
Posted by: "Jan, LA2BBA" la2bba@nrrl.no jan_t_p
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:36 am ((PST))
Tyler Parsons <Tyler@Parsons-Surveying.com>, Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:11:03
-0800:
> >I have the Lacrosse 2308 and 100 feet of telephone cable connecting.
> >Don't worry about batteries as the remote unit is powered through the
> >cable. I did have to run the cable through a ferrite core at each end to
> >stop frequent bad readings but I still get an occasional 100mph wind.
My unit is powered through the cable as well. But I'll look for some
more ferrite beads and add them, and look how that works, before
replacing the wind sensor or even the whole 2310.
-- 73 de Jan, LA2BBA Hvaler, Norway Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2a. Incorrect locations Posted by: "wa5luy" wa5luy@cablelynx.com wa5luy Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:07 am ((PST)) I live in western Arkansas. Yesterday I drove a couple of miles to the grocery store and back between 9 and 10 AM central time. At that time my Igate was down for updates so I was being Igated by stations outside my area. Stations in Lousiana were doing most of the Igating so the band may have been open. Later that day I noticed my vehicle was shown back at the grocery store 8 hours after I was there. I actually looked in the garage to see if it was still here and it was! I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they were always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's hard for me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours. Does anyone know where the time stamp is put on a location being Igated. Is it in the PC where the Igate is or the server or other? Also any other explanations as to why this may have happened? Messages in this topic (8) ________________________________________________________________________ 2b. Re: Incorrect locations Posted by: "Rich Garcia" k4gps@arrl.net yourbt Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:37 am ((PST)) I can't exactly tell you where the problem is but it is FAR from new. I am just getting back into this after many years off the air and it was hashed about on the various forums for ages. The APRS sig right now is talking about the same thing but with the various PCsats. Do not always believe what you see. I do remember that the cause was not a simple one..Maybe someone else will chime in but it does have something to do with the Igates. Rich -----Original Message----- From: ui-view@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ui-view@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of wa5luy Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:08 AM To: ui-view@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ui-view] Incorrect locations I live in western Arkansas. Yesterday I drove a couple of miles to the grocery store and back between 9 and 10 AM central time. At that time my Igate was down for updates so I was being Igated by stations outside my area. Stations in Lousiana were doing most of the Igating so the band may have been open. Later that day I noticed my vehicle was shown back at the grocery store 8 hours after I was there. I actually looked in the garage to see if it was still here and it was! I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they were always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's hard for me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours. Does anyone know where the time stamp is put on a location being Igated. Is it in the PC where the Igate is or the server or other? Also any other explanations as to why this may have happened? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (8) ________________________________________________________________________ 2c. Re: Incorrect locations Posted by: "Keith VE7GDH" ve7gdh@yahoo.com ve7gdh Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:53 am ((PST)) WA5LUY wrote...
> > I live in western Arkansas. Yesterday I drove a couple of miles to the
> > grocery store and back between 9 and 10 AM central time. At that time
> > my Igate was down for updates so I was being Igated by stations
> > outside my area. Stations in Lousiana were doing most of the Igating
> > so the band may have been open. Later that day I noticed my vehicle
> > was shown back at the grocery store 8 hours after I was there. I
> > actually looked in the garage to see if it was still here and it was!
I got your callsign from your email address. I presume that it's
WA5LUY-1 that youare talking about. You are probably seeing some delayed
gating. However, I suspect it may in the range of minutes, not hours.
Let's say you drove fom home to the store and back, and only beaconed
when you were pulling out of your own driveway, once at the store and
once more when you got back home. If a copy of the beacon from the store
is delayed somewhere long enough to be gated after the beacon that was
transmitted when you got ack home, and more than 30 seconds after the
first time it was gated, it would not be seen as a dupe and would be
accepted.
You are using a responsible WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 so it's not a matter of
using an excessive and abusive path that (if successful) could take a
while to get to some distant IGate.
Of course, it could be have a matter of your last heard position report
was from the store and you didn't make it to an IGate a single time on
the way home, but that wasn't the case.
I assume you were going to some website ((findu.com, aprs.fi, db0anf.de
etc.) and seeing your tracker back at the store. That web site is only
going to show the last known position.... e.g.
www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=WA5LUY-1&time=1
All of your recent position reports from WA5LUY-1 were gated by your own
WA5LUY. Going back to yesterday...
20080215190805,WA5LUY-1>S4RY5R,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]Fm"(>/"5w}
20080215190815,WA5LUY-1>S4RY4Y,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]Fm+k>/"5r}
20080215190844,WA5LUY-1>S4RY4Q,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]Cm]">/"5w}
20080215190858,WA5LUY-1>S4RY4P,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]<mqH>/"5v}
20080215190914,WA5LUY-1>S4RY3V,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]:m,,>/"5t}WA5LUY
Hot Springs, Ar. TT-3
20080215191215,WA5LUY-1>S4RX6S,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y^}m,!>/"5D}
20080215191225,WA5LUY-1>S4RX5W,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y^zn{`>/"5?}
20080215191230,WA5LUY-1>S4RX5S,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y^{o,'>/"5>}
20080215191319,WA5LUY-1>S4RX2Y,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_-mrG>/"5[}WA5LUY
Hot Springs, Ar. TT-3
20080215191336,WA5LUY-1>S4RX2U,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_5m@&>/"5V}
20080215191932,WA5LUY-1>S4RX2S,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_5l
u>/"5I}
20080215192130,WA5LUY-1>S4RX2R,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_5l
0>/"5L}
I couldn't spot any dupes there. Also looking at later reports when you
were again gated by your own WA5LUY, I couldn't spot any dupes there
either, so I don't know why you saw your TT3 back at an old position.
The only explanation I can come up with is that a digi somewhere hung
onto othe report and sent it back out after you had WA5LUY running
again, but before it had a TCPIP connection. Perhaps you were observing
WA5LUY hearing a delayed report, but not gating it because it wasn't
connected yet. Plausible, or... ?
> > I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they were
> > always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's hard for
> > me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours.
> >
> > Does anyone know where the time stamp is put on a location being
> > Igated. Is it in the PC where the Igate is or the server or other?
> > Also any other explanations as to why this may have happened?
As far as I know, the stamp is from when the report makes it to the
APRS-IS, not the time according to the IGate's clock. Any comments from
a server operator?
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
--
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2d. Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "Tom" tmcsail@sbcglobal.net radiotom2020
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:01 am ((PST))
Hello WA5LUY,
Let us know what you are using for a path. That will allow for some
diagnostics.
I looked at several of your SSIDs and did not see anything odd. Which SSID
are you looking at?
BTW - I too use APRS on the sailboat: W3TMC-5
I do not ~think~ there is a retrievable timestamp of the type you are asking
about.
You are certainly correct in that it is hard to believe that, in 8 hours,
the packet did not expire.
If you are using WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 you could easily reach LA but... holding a
posit for 8 hrs?? Maybe someone's igate is misconfigured.
mysteries abound!
73,
Tom, W3TMC
----- Original Message -----
From: wa5luy
To: ui-view@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: [ui-view] Incorrect locations
I live in western Arkansas. Yesterday I drove a couple of miles to the
grocery store and back between 9 and 10 AM central time. At that time
my Igate was down for updates so I was being Igated by stations outside
my area. Stations in Lousiana were doing most of the Igating so the
band may have been open. Later that day I noticed my vehicle was shown
back at the grocery store 8 hours after I was there. I actually looked
in the garage to see if it was still here and it was!
I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they were
always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's hard for
me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours.
Does anyone know where the time stamp is put on a location being
Igated. Is it in the PC where the Igate is or the server or other? Also
any other explanations as to why this may have happened?
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2e. Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "James" kb7tbt@gmail.com kb7tbt
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:09 am ((PST))
I had a guy all upset at me and the local digi owner because his packet was
igated by me 15 hours late.
The station was 300 miles away in NW AL, so something between here and there
is messed up.
The past few days this is happening as far as I know.
James
KB7TBT
www.kb7tbt.com
> > I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they were
> > always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's hard for
> > me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours.
> >
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2f. Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "wa5luy" wa5luy@cablelynx.com wa5luy
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))
We are not a densly used area so we use wide2-2. The id is wa5luy-1
Thanks for the reply.
--- In ui-view@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tmcsail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello WA5LUY,
> >
> > Let us know what you are using for a path. That will allow for some
> > diagnostics.
> > I looked at several of your SSIDs and did not see anything odd.
Which SSID
> > are you looking at?
> > BTW - I too use APRS on the sailboat: W3TMC-5
> >
> > I do not ~think~ there is a retrievable timestamp of the type you
are asking
> > about.
> > You are certainly correct in that it is hard to believe that, in 8
hours,
> > the packet did not expire.
> > If you are using WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 you could easily reach LA but...
holding a
> > posit for 8 hrs?? Maybe someone's igate is misconfigured.
> > mysteries abound!
> > 73,
> > Tom, W3TMC
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wa5luy
> > To: ui-view@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:07 AM
> > Subject: [ui-view] Incorrect locations
> >
> >
> > I live in western Arkansas. Yesterday I drove a couple of miles to
the
> > grocery store and back between 9 and 10 AM central time. At that
time
> > my Igate was down for updates so I was being Igated by stations
outside
> > my area. Stations in Lousiana were doing most of the Igating so the
> > band may have been open. Later that day I noticed my vehicle was
shown
> > back at the grocery store 8 hours after I was there. I actually
looked
> > in the garage to see if it was still here and it was!
> > I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they
were
> > always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's hard
for
> > me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours.
> >
> > Does anyone know where the time stamp is put on a location being
> > Igated. Is it in the PC where the Igate is or the server or other?
Also
> > any other explanations as to why this may have happened?
> >
Messages in this topic (8)
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2g. Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "wa5luy" wa5luy@cablelynx.com wa5luy
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:03 pm ((PST))
Look at aprs.fi for 2/14. All the points are correct but one that is
8 hours later.http://aprs.fi/?call=WA5LUY-
1&dt=1202947200&mt=m&z=11&timerange=3600
--- In ui-view@yahoogroups.com, "Keith VE7GDH" <ve7gdh@...> wrote:
> >
> > WA5LUY wrote...
> >
>> > > I live in western Arkansas. Yesterday I drove a couple of miles
to the
>> > > grocery store and back between 9 and 10 AM central time. At that
time
>> > > my Igate was down for updates so I was being Igated by stations
>> > > outside my area. Stations in Lousiana were doing most of the
Igating
>> > > so the band may have been open. Later that day I noticed my
vehicle
>> > > was shown back at the grocery store 8 hours after I was there. I
>> > > actually looked in the garage to see if it was still here and it
was!
> >
> > I got your callsign from your email address. I presume that it's
> > WA5LUY-1 that youare talking about. You are probably seeing some
delayed
> > gating. However, I suspect it may in the range of minutes, not
hours.
> > Let's say you drove fom home to the store and back, and only
beaconed
> > when you were pulling out of your own driveway, once at the store
and
> > once more when you got back home. If a copy of the beacon from the
store
> > is delayed somewhere long enough to be gated after the beacon that
was
> > transmitted when you got ack home, and more than 30 seconds after
the
> > first time it was gated, it would not be seen as a dupe and would be
> > accepted.
> >
> > You are using a responsible WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 so it's not a matter of
> > using an excessive and abusive path that (if successful) could take
a
> > while to get to some distant IGate.
> >
> > Of course, it could be have a matter of your last heard position
report
> > was from the store and you didn't make it to an IGate a single time
on
> > the way home, but that wasn't the case.
> >
> > I assume you were going to some website ((findu.com, aprs.fi,
db0anf.de
> > etc.) and seeing your tracker back at the store. That web site is
only
> > going to show the last known position.... e.g.
> >
> > www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=WA5LUY-1&time=1
> >
> > All of your recent position reports from WA5LUY-1 were gated by
your own
> > WA5LUY. Going back to yesterday...
> >
> > 20080215190805,WA5LUY-1>S4RY5R,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]
Fm"(>/"5w}
> > 20080215190815,WA5LUY-1>S4RY4Y,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]
Fm+k>/"5r}
> > 20080215190844,WA5LUY-1>S4RY4Q,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]
Cm]">/"5w}
> > 20080215190858,WA5LUY-1>S4RY4P,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]
<mqH>/"5v}
> > 20080215190914,WA5LUY-
1>S4RY3V,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y]:m,,>/"5t}WA5LUY
> > Hot Springs, Ar. TT-3
> > 20080215191215,WA5LUY-1>S4RX6S,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y^}
m,!>/"5D}
> > 20080215191225,WA5LUY-1>S4RX5W,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y^zn
{`>/"5?}
> > 20080215191230,WA5LUY-1>S4RX5S,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y^
{o,'>/"5>}
> > 20080215191319,WA5LUY-1>S4RX2Y,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_-
mrG>/"5[}WA5LUY
> > Hot Springs, Ar. TT-3
> > 20080215191336,WA5LUY-
1>S4RX2U,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_5m@&>/"5V}
> > 20080215191932,WA5LUY-1>S4RX2S,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_5l
> > u>/"5I}
> > 20080215192130,WA5LUY-1>S4RX2R,HOTSPR,LTROCK,WIDE2*,qAR,WW5AA:`y_5l
> > 0>/"5L}
> >
> > I couldn't spot any dupes there. Also looking at later reports when
you
> > were again gated by your own WA5LUY, I couldn't spot any dupes there
> > either, so I don't know why you saw your TT3 back at an old
position.
> >
> > The only explanation I can come up with is that a digi somewhere
hung
> > onto othe report and sent it back out after you had WA5LUY running
> > again, but before it had a TCPIP connection. Perhaps you were
observing
> > WA5LUY hearing a delayed report, but not gating it because it wasn't
> > connected yet. Plausible, or... ?
> >
>> > > I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they
were
>> > > always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's
hard for
>> > > me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours.
>> > >
>> > > Does anyone know where the time stamp is put on a location being
>> > > Igated. Is it in the PC where the Igate is or the server or other?
>> > > Also any other explanations as to why this may have happened?
> >
> > As far as I know, the stamp is from when the report makes it to the
> > APRS-IS, not the time according to the IGate's clock. Any comments
from
> > a server operator?
> >
> > 73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
> > --
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2h. Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "kg4pid" kg4pid@yahoo.com kg4pid
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:17 pm ((PST))
Things like this seems to be happening more and more. Check out this
delayed packet from my weather station. The timestamp generated by
the weather station shows that this is the same packet.
Good packet
20080214142142,KG4PID-15>APN391,N4TKT-
2*,WIDE2,qAo,KA4JJM:@141621z3417.45N/08742.32W_125/002g006t026r000p00
1P000h86b10264.DsVP
Delayed Packet
20080214191535,KG4PID-15>APN391,W4TL-
3,WIDE2*,qAo,KB7TBT:@141621z3417.45N/08742.32W_125/002g006t026r000p00
1P000h86b10264.DsVP
This packet was delayed 4 hours 53 minutes and 53 seconds. Over the
past few years almost every time that this comes up, UI-View32 was
being used for the Igate that gated the delayed packet. I shutdown
my Igate a year ago because I noticed it a number of times delaying
packets. The only thing that seemed to help was rebooting the PC
every few days. APRS software was UI-View32.
Max
--- In ui-view@yahoogroups.com, "wa5luy" <wa5luy@...> wrote:
> >
> > I live in western Arkansas. Yesterday I drove a couple of miles to
the
> > grocery store and back between 9 and 10 AM central time. At that
time
> > my Igate was down for updates so I was being Igated by stations
outside
> > my area. Stations in Lousiana were doing most of the Igating so
the
> > band may have been open. Later that day I noticed my vehicle was
shown
> > back at the grocery store 8 hours after I was there. I actually
looked
> > in the garage to see if it was still here and it was!
> > I have seen several incidences where two Igates did this but they
were
> > always within a minute or two of each other not 8 hours. It's hard
for
> > me to believe my location bounced around Lousiana for 8 hours.
> >
> > Does anyone know where the time stamp is put on a location being
> > Igated. Is it in the PC where the Igate is or the server or other?
Also
> > any other explanations as to why this may have happened?
> >
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3a. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] ui-view weather station
Posted by: "Keith VE7GDH" ve7gdh@yahoo.com ve7gdh
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:14 am ((PST))
Archie N2NWK wrote...
> > I am looking for a reasonable price and easy to set up
> > weather station and software compatible with
> > ui-view32 and APRS
I have the La Crosse WS-2310 that Jan mentioned. I had to put ferrite
beads on the cables - especially the one from the rain gauge - to
prevent false readings caused by RF. I still get the occasional false
high wind reading, but presume it could be solved by moving the sensors
further away from a cluster of HF, VHF and UHF antennas. I may
eventually change from using a wired connection to the sensors to the
provided UHF radio link to move everything further away from sources of
RF.
Unfortunately, I am sheltered by trees on three sides and the wind
sensors are mounted just above roof-top level and I just don't get to
test the WS-22310 very often at the wind speeds that Jan has experienced
with his WX station!
For a while, I used the provided (functional but not very fancy) Heavy
Weather program to download from the WS-2310. I never did have any
success with the settings for the graphical display software that came
with it. I used UI-Weather to create the text file for UI-View, but it
stopped working one day and no matter what, I couldn't get it to work
again. I finally ended up purchasing Weather Display to download and
archive the data. This program has many options and (sometimes)
confusing menus, but it does work and provides a graphical display AND
creates the text file for UI-View to use for a WX beacon.
The WS-2315 is apparently an updated version of the WS-2310. Considering
the price, I've been very happy with mine. It has only been running a
few months now, so hasn't really stood the test of time yet.
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
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3b. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] ui-view weather station
Posted by: "Rich Garcia" k4gps@arrl.net yourbt
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:34 am ((PST))
I 3rd Weather Display at www.weather-display.com. Brian (AKA Windy)is VERY
responsive and the program does a lot. I will state though that the program
does tend to become unstable at times and does close for no apparent reason
on a few occasions. But Brian is working on the program all the time and I
am sure a new stable release will come out soon. I also believe that Brian
is a ham (Lives in NZ)so many APRS functions are built into WD, you can post
your WX to the APRS-IS without even a radio since it has server access built
in. WD will work with almost any weather station that has a USB or Serial
port, and since WD generates aprs specific outputs it really helps our
community grow. If it were not for programs like these we would be stuck
with 1 or 2 stations to use.
I used WD with UI-View about 4-5 years ago with a Radio Shack wireless
station till' that fell apart. Been out of APRS for a few years due to
several hurricanes/work then a couple of moves. I am back and have a Davis
VantageProII wireless and just love it with WD. Next will be a Solar and
Lightning Sensor added to the suite.
Rich
K4GPS
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3c. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] ui-view weather station
Posted by: "A. Adrian Wood" G4LED@mugi.co.uk g4led
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:46 am ((PST))
Archie
I agree with Rich and have had the fully automated Davis Vantage Pro2
Plus up and running a couple of years now, all with an excellent two
year warranty period; extensive research beforehand showed that the
cheaper stations will inevitably let you down. Buy once by starting with
quality, building up the system as time and funds permit. The console is
utterly compelling. Being a ham station I bought the non-wireless
version. Basic system transmits as 'Holme Valley Weather' with a Skycam
sole addition. GM4BES (Graham) leads the way on embellishments. Cable
installation saves on cost but takes a little longer to install .
Naturally no radio problems. Added the UV and solar sensors-the latter
showing that the extra solar coil in the replacement hot water cylinder
can be worthwhile. Send email for the freeware programme written by our
son that interfaces Ui-View with the adequate (if not particularly
attractive display) Weatherlink. I have the dated serial output version
which will need changing soon for USB on overdue imminant computer
upgrade. All is better than the old schooldays manual recording/logging
in the field sited, Stevenson's screened enclosure.
Regards
A. Adrian Wood FRICS G4LED
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4a. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "Keith VE7GDH" ve7gdh@yahoo.com ve7gdh
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:20 pm ((PST))
Max KG4PID wrote...
> > This packet was delayed 4 hours 53 minutes and 53 seconds.
> > Over the past few years almost every time that this comes up,
> > UI-View32 was being used for the IGate that gated the delayed
> > packet.
This is anecdotal evidence and not backed up by any proof. Is it
because there is some inherent problem built into UI-View or is
it just indicative that there are more IGates running UI-View than
other software, and because of that there are more IGates gating
delayed packets that were delayed in reaching the IGate?
> > I shutdown my IGate a year ago because I noticed it a number
> > of times delaying packets. The only thing that seemed to help
> > was rebooting the PC every few days. APRS software was
> > UI-View32.
This is still anecdotal evidence. You say you observed delayed packets,
but did you prove whether they were delayed in getting to your station,
or delayed in being gated to the APRS-IS? It really takes someone
watching on RF and someone watching the IGate to see where the delay is
really happening.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for UI-View to delay gating a
beacon. I'm just saying that it needs to be proved. Just looking at
findu.com or wherever after just shows when the packet was gated. It
doesn't say when it go to the IGate. It will take local observation to
pin it down.
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
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4b. [Bulk] [ui-view] Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "kg4pid" kg4pid@yahoo.com kg4pid
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:16 pm ((PST))
I hope that no one thinks that I'm accusing Ui-View of being the
problem here since I don't have any proof. All I can say is that
about a year or so ago I had received a number of emails from other
APRS users showing me delayed packets and that I was always the one
that had Igated these packets. Different stations were involved as
well as different digis, but I was always the Igate. I soon noticed
that this seemed to happen after the PC had been running for a few
days since a reboot. Then I wiped the hard drive (again),
reinstalled the OS (Win2000 Pro and all current updates) and
installed nothing but UI-View32. No other programs or add-ons were
ever installed since this was to be a dedicated Igate and was not
used for anything else. Same problem. PC was 800mhz machine with
512meg ram. Internet was with 3meg DSL and the connection was with
APRSFL. I got tired of being the problem so I shut it down and the
delayed packets in my area stopped. I've been involved with
computers for over 30 years and at the time I had my hands full at
work trying to keep over 250 PC's, 6 servers for email and data and
dealing with inventory, accounts receivable, payroll, general
ledger, and numerous other functions. The last thing I needed at the
time was to come home and try to figure why this was happening. I
think it was on APRSSIG some time ago that someone had narrowed it
down to UI-View but don't hold me to that. Over all I think UI-View
is a great program that won't soon be replaced and I still run it, I
just don't Igate with it anymore. I, as much as anyone would like to
find out exactly what causes these delay problems. Misinformation is
alway worse than no information.
Max
--- In ui-view@yahoogroups.com, "Keith VE7GDH" <ve7gdh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Max KG4PID wrote...
> >
>> > > This packet was delayed 4 hours 53 minutes and 53 seconds.
>> > > Over the past few years almost every time that this comes up,
>> > > UI-View32 was being used for the IGate that gated the delayed
>> > > packet.
> >
> > This is anecdotal evidence and not backed up by any proof. Is it
> > because there is some inherent problem built into UI-View or is
> > it just indicative that there are more IGates running UI-View than
> > other software, and because of that there are more IGates gating
> > delayed packets that were delayed in reaching the IGate?
> >
>> > > I shutdown my IGate a year ago because I noticed it a number
>> > > of times delaying packets. The only thing that seemed to help
>> > > was rebooting the PC every few days. APRS software was
>> > > UI-View32.
> >
> > This is still anecdotal evidence. You say you observed delayed
packets,
> > but did you prove whether they were delayed in getting to your
station,
> > or delayed in being gated to the APRS-IS? It really takes someone
> > watching on RF and someone watching the IGate to see where the
delay is
> > really happening.
> >
> > I'm not saying that it's impossible for UI-View to delay gating a
> > beacon. I'm just saying that it needs to be proved. Just looking at
> > findu.com or wherever after just shows when the packet was gated.
It
> > doesn't say when it go to the IGate. It will take local
observation to
> > pin it down.
> >
> > 73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
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4c. Re: [Bulk] [ui-view] Re: Incorrect locations
Posted by: "Keith VE7GDH" ve7gdh@yahoo.com ve7gdh
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:18 pm ((PST))
Max KG4PID wrote...
> > I hope that no one thinks that I'm accusing UI-View of being
> > the problem here since I don't have any proof.
Not at all. Almost every time UI-View is accused of being a problem,
it's by a non-UI-View user and with absolutely no proof to back up
whatever the fault-du-jour is. In your case, UI-View wasn't proved or
dis-proved to be the cause, but you took steps that seemed to stop the
local delayed reports. It just wasn't absolute proof.
> > All I can say is that about a year or so ago I had received a
> > number of emails from other APRS users showing me delayed
> > packets and that I was always the one that had IGated these
> > packets. Different stations were involved as well as different
> > digis, but I was always the IGate. I soon noticed that this
> > seemed to happen after the PC had been running for a few
> > days since a reboot.
If I had a problem with UI-View, it would be after it had been running
for a few days. On my IGate, UI-View is very seldom restarted. Except in
very rare circumstances, it is only shut down when a reboot is needed
after a Windows reboot, probably every month or two. Emails from APRS
users about delayed packets proves nothing. It would take observation on
RF and at your IGate to prove or disprove where the problem was.
> > Then I wiped the hard drive (again), reinstalled the OS
> > (Win2000 Pro and all current updates) and installed nothing
> > but UI-View32. No other programs or add-ons were ever
> > installed since this was to be a dedicated IGate and was not
> > used for anything else.
It sounds like a very clean installation.
> > Same problem. PC was 800mhz machine with 512meg ram.
> > Internet was with 3meg DSL and the connection was with
> > APRSFL. I got tired of being the problem so I shut it down and the
> > delayed packets in my area stopped.
It should be a very capable machine for UI-View. If the problem was with
APRSFL, you would think a lot of people would be reporting problems, so
the cause is more likely to be in your IGate or somewhere just before
it. Your description certainly leaves UI-View as being on the list of
suspects, but doesn't prove it.
> > The last thing I needed at the time was to come home and try to
> > figure why this was happening. I think it was on APRSSIG some
> > time ago that someone had narrowed it down to UI-View...
I have seen a lot of dis-information about UI-View on the APRS SIG.
> > but don't hold me to that. Over all I think UI-View is a great
> > program that won't soon be replaced and I still run it, I
> > just don't IGate with it anymore. I, as much as anyone would like
> > to find out exactly what causes these delay problems.
> > Misinformation is always worse than no information.
It isn't surprising that 3 1/2 years after Roger G4IDE went SK,
UI-View is still going strong. We all know that one day it will be
replaced. I'm sure that some Xastir users think it is the replacement!
I've never used it, so don't have any opinions on the subject. I just
know what UI-View does and that it does it very well. As far as pinning
down where delays are taking place, someone needs to be watching on RF
to confirm that the delay isn't taking place in one particular digi. The
IGate operator needs to observe the received beacons. Using an OT with
TIME / HMS enabled might be helpful while watching for delays caused by
digis. Watching the terminal window in UI-View should give clues if
there are big delays between the beacon was originally created and when
it is being processed by UI-View. You could go to findu.com / aprs.fi /
db0anf.de or wherever and look there, but of course only beacons
delivered from the first IGate are going to show up there because of the
30 second dupe checking. Of course, if a delayed report makes it to the
APRS-IS after more than 30 seconds, it will be accepted. It will take
effort and time to pin it down. By all means, if anyone pins down a
problem in UI-View, report it here so others can duplicate the problem
or try and offer solutions.
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
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Please see <http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiv32.htm> for UI-View registration information.
Precision Mapping version 8 works with UI-View32; the necessary additional PMapServer7 is available for download at <http://www.ui-view.org>.
At <http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/UIview_Notes.htm>, you will find useful hints and info for your UI-View setup and use.
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